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FIXME: Wine and CrossOver descriptions, not only on Intrepid, but all Ubuntu distros are inaccurate

Please, the description of CrossOver and Wine is wrong in most of the Ubuntu pages, quoting Wikipedia:

CrossOver: CrossOver, known before version 6.0 as CrossOver Office, is the collective name for four commercial and proprietary programs developed by CodeWeavers that allow many Windows-based applications to run on Linux, Mac OS X and Solaris using a compatibility layer. The programs include CrossOver Mac, CrossOver Linux, CrossOver Games Mac, and CrossOver Games Linux.

The programs are modified, proprietary versions of the public Wine source tree with various compatibility patches added, more user-friendly configuration tools and commercial support. CodeWeavers employs several Wine developers and contributes code back to the free software/open source software Wine project as per the GNU LGPL, although CrossOver is proprietary software.

and Wine, in Corporate sponsorship:

The main corporate sponsor of Wine is CodeWeavers, which employs Julliard and many other Wine developers to work on Wine and on CrossOver, CodeWeavers' supported version of Wine, which includes some application-specific tweaks not considered suitable for the WineHQ version, as well as some additional proprietary components

As we can see, CodeWeavers is a sponsor of Wine, and CrossOver is a modified version of Wine, not the other way around.

Wine at Wikipedia

CrossOver at Wikipedia


--UnDeRTaKeR 08:27, 12 May 2009 (EEST)

INTEL + BERYL

Just a note for anyone who has an LG LS-50a Laptop, I successfully installed Ubuntu, Beryl, and a whole buch of cool stuff on it. The laptop was boutht 2 years ago, it is a Pentium centrino M, 512MB RAM, integrated Intel graphic card. Not much, but it runs 10x faster than it ever did in XP, and it looks much better than Vista.

PS. this is the 1st post i ever made on the internet in my life! if it takes something to move my lazy ass and write this post, it's because i LOVE ubuntu, linux, this whole system of open source. Thanks a bunch. Now the question is, what is everyone else still doing with windows?

Jon.

Vandalism on the guide

Hi everyone. It seems like we are getting a whole bunch of really odd edits on the guide lately by people who only make 2 posts or so then dissapear.

For example:

http://ubuntuguide.org/index.php?title=Drug_Treatment_Program&rcid=12433

edited by user Shamra.

http://ubuntuguide.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Shamra

What is this all about??? Other really stange edits are from users that have names like

1179255243 or 1179255272. If you look at their edits it looks like they are not changing anything, for example:

http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Alternatives edited by 1179255243 looks normal, however there are these edits at the bottom.

div style="display:none">

l_sp_31]

http://neil-young-live-at-massey-hall.ocom.pl Neil Young Live at Massey Hall]

http://billy-currington-doin-somethin-right.ocom.pl Billy Currington Doing Something Right]

Which dont show up because of the coding. I need some help on suggestions on what we can do here - Pete


Don't know what is the standard process of reporting vandalism on this wiki, just see these two contributions:

--Mohsen 08:14, 23 July 2007 (EEST)

Perhaps people consider bots to be their higher power!

I doubt that anyone can do anything against an actual human making bad changes, however the original post was about robots making changes. Here is an email I received from ubuntuguide - pete.

We saw this too, haven't figure out the sollution(sic) yet, but it seems that
recent days have been ok.
If it continues we could set up CAPTCHA (or something similar) for edits.
What would be your suggestion?
Thanks,
UbuntuGuide.org
This seems to be more than a bad change :). There are blocking mechanisms for both IP address and user name in MediaWiki. --Mohsen 12:16, 24 July 2007 (EEST)

Lightning

Alot of people around are very happy about Lightning, the calender-plugin for Thunderbird and consider it a elegant replacement for Outlook. While basic installation is pretty easy I think no one knows it. Ok, setting up a "calender-server" can become more complicated but doesn't belong here anyway. Is this the place for shameless lightning promotion? Crass Spektakel 17:57, 11 May 2007 (EEST)

Hi

This is a wiki, so if you feel that there is useful information missing, then feel free to add it. - Pete

smbfs?

User Ashton said: Isn't the smbfs kernel module deprecated? It would be good to update fstab configurations to use the cifs driver instead

Please can you elaborate on what you are saying as it is not clear. In reference to what are you making this statement? - Pete

You're right, it wasn't very clear (I had very little time to write it). In the sections "How to mount network folders on boot-up, and allow all users to read" and "How to mount network folders on boot-up, and allow all users to read/write" you are appending, for example: "//192.168.0.1/linux /media/sharename smbfs credentials=/root/.smbcredentials 0 0" to the end of /etc/fstab, in order to mount the network folder at boot-up. That line should instead use cifs, and be something like: "//192.168.0.1/linux /media/sharename cifs credentials=/root/.smbcredentials 0 0" Why? Because smbfs is a) buggy, b) not being developed anymore, and c) is slated for removal from the kernel. CIFS is it's replacement, and certainly a huge amount better. - Ashton

I also just found this: http://joey.ubuntu-rocks.org/blog/2007/04/25/resolution-to-mounting-samba-shares-dont-use-smbfs/ - Ashton

Hi Ashton

You make several valid points. I would like some time to investigate this fully. This weekend I have a whole bunch of ubuntu bugs to work through that are listed on this guide, so Ill add yours to the list. I have a feeling that you are correct on this though. Im guessing that when you add a network share using the GUI it uses plain old smbfs extension. Thanks for noting this - Pete.

Im sorry I haven't given this much attention however I promise this is still on my list. I will be testing this just as soon as I get time to - Pete

Yes, smbfs is deprecated in favor of cifs. However, many packages still require smbfs to run. So I would not remove references to smbfs at this time. Perhaps in Gutsy.... Perspectoff 20:55, 7 August 2007 (EEST)

Flash on AMD64

I think a much better solution for Flash on AMD64 is listed here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341727. --Stan

I disagree that this is a better solution than gnash which is open source. Also the gnash solution does not require you to add a random repo that us not part of the officiacl ubuntu repo's

The next version of gnash is due in a few months, and also should also support youtube.

However, I agree that this proposed solution can be useful as an alternative until then, If you would like to add it to the guide as an alternative to the solutions already posted please do so, however I would recommend adding a disclaimer that states it will not be supported by Ubuntu in any way whatsoever. - Pete

Edit: What with everyone complaining that GNASH doesn't play youtube videos I have found a workaround for those of you that use 64 bit Ubuntu OR don't want to use proprietary software. The next version of GNASH will support youtube anyway so this will only be a temporary workaround until your sources.list is updated and all is well. Head over to the guide under the installing flash section for an open source workaround - Pete

Realplayer 10

I just noticed that the instructions to install Realplayer 10 doesn't work.

The repository listed to contain Realplayer 10 (http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/packages.php) only has it for Breezy, and the Canonical commerical repository only has it for dapper.

Are there any other repositories than we can use and recommend? Or should we follow this procedure? Mick t

I updated the instructions. Also, try Helix instead, since Realplayer for Linux is really Helix anyway. Perspectoff 20:57, 7 August 2007 (EEST)

aptitude vs apt-get

I see the the whole guide is using aptitude and not apt-get

There is almost a consensus in the forum, that apt-get is now better than aptitude.

See thread here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=433959

- Nirmv

I disagree, I have been over this hundreds of times. My conclusion? Both are as evil as each other. Since they both compete with each other the real answer is to only ever use one. If you prefer aptitude (as I do) then use that - if you prefer apt-get then use that. Just don't use both. Remember, when we write this guide we have to also aim for consistency. If we keep changing from one week to the next our methodology then the guide is useless. Linux is great because it gives you the freedom to choose, sometimes too many choices leaves you questioning what you should be doing, however I maintain that if you just stick with your preferred method you will be ok. I test as much as I can in this guide and always use aptitude. When things don't work with aptitude I note it (see above for example the discussion on "multimedia in feisty") and I try to find a solution that solves any dependency issues.

Lastly, perhaps you are correct, apt-get is "better" than aptitude. However even if this is the case i believe this falls outside of the scope of the guide. The point is to help people to install applications that they require while keeping their Ubuntu stable and secure.

If you feel that I am wrong on any of these points however, please feel free to voice your opinion some more, after all this is a wiki and everyone has the right to argue any opinion. I have been wrong in the past and could be wrong now.

I hope this helps you to understand the thinking so far - Pete.

Maybe you always use aptitude, but all the GUIs you use such as synaptic, add/remove programs and update-manager all use apt-get as a backend, so maybe you don't notice that, but when you suggest people to use aptitude you actually make them to mix method and to potentially create inconsistencies in their dependency management, that may in time break their system.

If you have read the link I gave you understand that better. - Nirmv

"There is almost a consensus in the forum, that apt-get is now better than aptitude." Where do you see that on the link you provided me??? I have reread the entire thread and still stand by my reasoning.

I do agree that using synaptic is a problem however.

I suggest that this decision needs to be made by consensus. Can anyone else please comment on this giving reasons as to your preferred method.

- Pete


I have given this considerable thought now, and no one seems to be offering any other suggestions so far. Here is where I am at with my thinking:

Aptitude provides no benefit over apt-get.

By default Ubuntu uses apt-get.

Mixing the two systems is considered bad by most people, and this guide currently could cause people to do this.

Im thinking that unless someone can come up with some reason to save aptitude this guide should switch everything over to apt-get. If noone bothers to comment further on this by 1st of June 2007 then I suggest this is switched over - Pete

I will be changing this on the weekend, noone has commented and there has been plenty of time for discussion. - pete

All i know is Aptitude installs reccomended files, aswell as the ones needed. - Skymera

Take a look at the kde section (http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_install_KDE_.28Kubuntu.29) and the tutorial linked from there... isn't that going to be a problem? --Holscher 03:44, 9 August 2007 (EEST)

PHP Eclipse @ ubuntu 7.04

Good link which saved my day: http://blog.rimann.org/de/einzelansicht/archive/2007/may/05/phpeclipse_on_ubuntu_feisty_704/index.htm

Logitech Mice

When using the logitech mouse info my back buttons and scroll wheel are switched. the buttons now scroll and the wheel goes back and forward in the history

additions not visible

i have made a few additions to the hardware sub wikipage but the changes are not visible from the main page e.g. in the http://ubuntuguide.org/index.php?title=Ubuntu:Feisty/Hardware there is the section How to detect CPU temperature, fan speeds for Dell Laptops and install Gkrellm plugin (i8kutils, gkrellm-i8k) but in the mainpage http://ubuntuguide.org/index.php?title=Ubuntu:Feisty it's not visible?

any possible reasons?

  • As have I. Your MediaWiki is either restricted or broken. Considering you're asking for community help on this one, it can be easily discouraging if new users don't see their edits. Suggest this be fixed asap.--Super Jamie 01:44, 15 July 2007 (EEST)
    • Further to this, my additions have appeared. Perhaps there is some sort of anti-spam approval system or something?--Super Jamie 09:47, 19 July 2007 (EEST)

As the top of the page states

After you make any changes in this page you should purge the cache. Just click on this link http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty?action=purge

This will show your additions right away - pete

proftpd vs pureftpd

I have installed and tried proftpd and pureftpd, and I have to say that past the few configuration woes (pureftpd's configuration scheme is a bit odd) it's much better than proftpd (since it can handle virtual users, which, as far as i know, proftpd can't) and I could get it running much faster than proftpd (which is never, sadly). Has anyone else had this positive experience with pureftpd? Can we switch the guide to it? --Poromenos 01:20, 28 June 2007 (EEST)

Openid Server

I begin my quest for an openid server. If anyone out there has it already working... please let me know. If not, I'll post it when i figure it out. --Davecormier 20:15, 4 July 2007 (EEST)

Open DNS

This isnt ONLY for Linux, but can involve it, has specific instructions for Ubuntu.

http://www.opendns.com

This site allows users to change their DNS servers to 'Open DNS' i have it at the moment, my connection speed is a LOT faster

This is the Ubuntu link.

http://www.opendns.com/start/ubuntu.php

This could be added to the page to compensate for lost speed, when i got Ubuntu, my connection speed was terrible! now its good.

Maybe thos could be added to the main page? - Skymera (ps. sorry for the ramble, its late =)

LVM

I added a new section on LVM and RAID and edited a lot of the guide for English.

Perspectoff 23:31, 28 July 2007 (EEST)

Automatix

There appears to be a good bit of negative press over how badly Automatix breaks systems. While I can neither confirm/deny these allegations from my personal experience, I think that we should take Automatix out of the wiki: Detailed analysis (got this from Slashdot) Submitted 05:11, 5 August 2007 by Dasunst3r

I put the warning and the reference to the problems in the Automatix section. Quite honestly, there's a lot of things that can break your system, even if you regard Ubuntu as foolproof. (They create better fools all the time).

I think keeping the automatix section with the warning is better than taking it out of the guide. With the warning, people might not use it. Without the warning, they might try it "on their own" and crash their system. The warning is a better service than having no mention of Automatix at all. Perspectoff 19:07, 7 August 2007 (EEST)

Configuring screen resolution (ATI graphics card)

I have found that when configuring screen resolutions when using an ATI graphics card (ATI Radeon X850 XT) that you must do so on a fresh install, or before configuring the drivers. My monitor is a Dell 1702FP, capable of displaying 1280 x 1024 at 60 Hz. But, when I configured my drivers (with flgrx) in order to use XGL and Compiz Fusion, altering the screen resolution to anything higher than the pre-set 1024x768 @ 75 didn't work. I tried altering xorg.conf manually, also tried using reconfigure xorg, none of which worked. I believe using reconfigure xorg was the cause of completely screwing my install.

Upon reformatting and reinstalling (and applying all updates and upgrades), I was able to manually edit and configure the screen resolution BEFORE configuring the drivers. Once done, I was able to get my resolution to work perfectly and then followed up with XGL and Compiz Fusion. As of now (two days later) everything is working perfect.

Anyone else find the same thing?


Can't you just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf (perhaps from the original copy which you made before changing it the first time) from the recovery mode instead of doing a full install?

TCExam installation Guide

I've just created the following guide: TCExam 5 quick installation guide for Linux Ubuntu 7.04 to explain how to install TCExam 5 on Ubuntu 7.04.

I would like to add these information on this guide just covering the part of TCExam (excluding the installation of MySQL, PostgreSQL, ... that are already covered in this guide).

Is there anyone who can help me? --Nicolaasuni 17:09, 14 September 2007 (EEST)

Mounting DFS shares

I've found a howto for mounting DFS shares in Ubuntu via WebDAV, but I'm not sure if this is supported by DFS servers by default. Anyway, here's the procedure (moving it to the guide when it's done):

Install davfs2:

sudo apt-get install davfs2

Configure davfs2:

sudo dpkg-reconfigure davfs2

Answers for configuration screens:

  1. Yes
  2. davfs2
  3. (otherwise you'll have to change the dav_group in /etc/davfs2/davfs2.conf)
  4. Yes, if asked to create group
  5. davfs2
  6. (otherwise you'll have to change the dav_user in /etc/davfs2/davfs2.conf)
  7. Yes, if asked to create user
  8. OK

Add your user name to the new group:

sudo adduser username davfs2

Edit fstab:

sudo vim /etc/fstab

To be able to mount a DFS share like \\machine.dns.name\some\path\ at /home/username/dfs, the line should look like the following:

https://machine.dns.name/some/path /home/username/dfs davfs rw,noauto,user 0 0

Remove any personal davfs2 configuration:

rm ~/.davfs2/davfs2.conf

Now, to mount:

mount /home/username/dfs

How to automount w/o password?

--L0b0 15:29, 16 January 2008 (EET)

5.1 audio out via IEC958

On a vanilla Feisty installation, getting optical (S/PDIF) 2.0 (stereo) sound is just a matter of selecting the right device in System > Preferences > Sound. However, I'm unable to get 5.1 sound, and I've tried for days with OSS and ALSA. In FreeBSD, I managed to get 5.1 on DVDs, but nothing else. And yes, I'm sure I'm using 5.1 audio sources - I've tested with games and 5.1 .au files. I and a lot of audiophiles would be really grateful if someone knows how to do this.

Building from the source

I think this section skips a bit. The easy Debian way of rebuilding stuff from the source is

cd /usr/src && apt-get build-dep packagename && apt-get source -b packagename

If one is rebuilding for debugging, setting DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" and in some cases DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip noopt" may be useful. If problems are even deeper, i.e. crashes occur inside standard C/C++ libraries then rebuilding the default compiler/C/C++ libraries is useful as well, do it so :

export WITHOUT_LANG="java,f77,pascal,objc,ada,treelang,ffi" #speed up compiler build with skipping all languages except C and C++

export WITHOUT_CHECK="yes" #skip compiler functionality checks .. you may not want to do this

export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip"

cd /usr/src

apt-get build-dep libstdc++6-dbg #C++ debuglibrary, depends on all other compiler bits

apt-get source -b libstdc++6-dbg #have a cofffee, this will take some time

after that you will have a few freshly built *.deb files in /usr/src, important one for c++ debugging will be libstdc++6-dbg_* which you can now install by dpkg -i

It will have source debugsymbols pointing to your /usr/src/gcc-xx/build directory. Basically the same procedure applies to libc6-dbg package as well. After the freshly built -dbg*.debs are installed, applications can be run with the debuglibraries by

LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/debug AppName

or with debugger ( using either gdb or ddd )

LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/debug gdb AppName

run

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